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While you may want to stick to the similarities you are not allowing obpi to get to the root causes of some of their pain..... and that is ok with you?

And as for being upset.... well you were not the only one... most obpi have been belittled their entire life about their arms and yes we as a group are interested in our feelings.... and we are still not sure what is related to obpi and what is not.... ever wonder where all the obpi go to talk about things that are improtant to us.... and perhaps appear foolish or funny to you....

We most definately do not have the same issues... sorry if you don't like it... but it is true...

now obpi/adult no longer post or rarely post... and the above string is why...... everyone has feelings...and when you jump in sometimes you make matter worse...

So I make no apology because I made no offense...like you I feel hurt and insulted and many obpi feeling are hurt and belittled.

As for newbies...well the last count 18 obpi have come and gone...wonder why.... I hear from some..but not on this board.

And if someone did not like what I said they were free
to tell me....without two of you jumping in to attack... because I did not like some of the things you said either..nor dave... they were out of line in my opinion... so I guess its up to you to choose what we can and cannot talk about and as you post you only want to focus on similar things...

As I just read I stand by my posts....

Lots of people were upset by this string ...we all have e-mail......

Kath, i was only stating facts and stand by my observations - i have NEVER wanted to insult or upset anyone but well remember being jumped on and put in my place for once 'assuming' something about another's situation, by yourself actually. i apologised for any offence and vowed to never do that again, so please remember that when you make assumptions about another's situation. there have been insensitive remarks made and let drop over time and sometimes it needs pointing out they have hurt people.
I can see no value continuing this for anyone, im outa here for a looooooong time

OK Kiddies, I'm sorry I ever started this thread. In the future you won't have to worry about me doing that again..... What I beleived to be a harmless question or observation has turned to be yet another bash. To hell with it all. And to hell with this site. One too many slams. Once again sorry I asked such a stupid question.
Bye Sharon

Kath;
For crying out loud, get over yourself...absolutely no-one has directed any insults to you personally, ever, about your injury. Whenever a thread like this has run off track its almost always, it seems, been started by this continual need to compare trauma and birth related injuries, and the way you do this, the words you use, sometimes can only be read as being totally dismissive of pain and loss caused by anything other than that similar to your own.

You say that you have 'met' three tbpi, but quite obviously, you do not know any, otherwise you would surely know how hurtful, thoughtless and unsupportive your unlooked for comments are sometimes, particularly to someone who is new to the boards.

Before you rush to hit the reply button, please read on;

I'm pretty sure that most tbpi would agree they haven't met, let alone know any obpi, kids or adults, (apart from Haze & Mikey who have met Tbaby) however, I am absolutely 100% positive that each and every one is as horrified as I was to find out that kids have been, and continue to be, injured this way during the birthing process. We all have empathy for these children, but particularly for the adults because, as adults, we face the same issues to a degree whether you like it or not.

Kath, as one fellow injured adult to another, never mind how or when injured, I can say this to you; There are obviously some issues that you still have to address regarding your injury, and these are making you bitter and angry sometimes. This is understandable, but please direct your anger and frustration toward the people who still injure the children, they deserve it; the rest of us don't. Perhaps you can then move on and stop 'reading between the lines' for other grievences such as your comment about our respective health systems...ask yourself the real reason why you felt impelled to mention that...incidently, you can say what you like about our NHS; We know it's crap! but, there is no getting away from the fact that someone like a recent poster here on the boards would not have found herself in the position she is in had she been injured in the UK. I know Jen's mention of this was regarding birth injuries, and the fact is, the figures for obpi are there for anyone who wants to see...

None of us want these destructive arguments; they don't do any good to anyone...I wasn't going to post on this one, but felt I had to. This board is in danger of degenerating into a 'them' and 'us' situation again, which is awful for any newcomers, no matter how or when injured.

If you feel compelled to answer this one in a negative manner Kath, then please just email me.

Liz.

Sharon,
I want you to know that I do not think your question was stupid... I am new to all these boards and really have wondered in the last few days whether this is the place I need to be.
I have lived almost twenty-two months in what I refer to as the bottom of a dark hole and every time I try to crawl out I fall back down. My injury was devastating and when I found this site I felt like someone finally thru a rope to me. Until I found this site I knew absolutely nothing about treatment options and pretty much thought I was the only one in the world who had this injury. To be honest I was starting to think the doctors and auto insurance company was right and it was in my head.
I liked your question because it made me feel "normal" for the first time in a long time. It took a lot of courage for me to express my feelings on a board like this. Over the last twenty-two months every time I said how I was feeling it always got used against me. So when my feelings were belittled and dismissed it brought back a flood of emotions and made me feel like I was losing hold of that rope and that I was going to be left in the bottom of that hole again.
For myself personally after reading about bpi injuries on this site I cannot help but feel all bpi injuries are preventable. It hurts a lot knowing that people out there are more worried about what kind of bpi we have instead of screaming at the top of their lungs to the world about this "rare injury". I know the statistics for obpi injuries but has anyone noticed there is no statistics for tbpi injuries. My personal OPINION is the medical community is getting away with hiding behind this "rare injury" title and I really am very angry about this. I cannot help but wonder about someone else who got injuried today and being told it is in their head...


Kathleen,
In previous postings I stated my feelings about the doctors who treated me after the car accident and I am sorry if I offended anyone. Those were my FEELINGS not Jenny's. So next time direct your comments at me. I was I felt being polite in what I called my "doctors". I am a christian lady who has a really hard time not being angry at the doctors or airbags that did this to my arm but more importantly to my life.